This week, Devindra and Cherlynn dive into Engadget’s critiques on Google’s Pixel 9 and 9 Professional telephones. Are they actually a step up from final 12 months’s gadgets? And the way do they examine to Samsung’s newest? Additionally, we chat about a couple of tales from Gamescom 2024, together with Microsoft’s Indiana Jones sport heading to the PS5, in addition to the wild launch of Black Fable: Wukong.

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• Google approaches smartphone perfection with the Pixel 9 and Pixel 9 Professional – 0:58

• Gamescom highlights: Indiana Jones, AI NPCs and Black Fable: Wukong – 22:15

• xMEMS’ 1mm ultrasonic ‘fan on a chip’ breakthrough may allow super-thin gadgets – 49:31

• San Francisco metropolis legal professional takes goal at AI deepfake pornography – 52:29

• Chik-Fil-A needs to start out a streaming service. Sure, you learn that accurately – 52:52.

• British Billionaire Mike Lynch, founding father of tech agency Autonomy, discovered useless within the wreckage of his yacht – 55:48

• Popular culture picks – 1:00:18

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<em>Hosts:</em> Devindra Hardawar and Cherlynn Low
Producer: Ben Ellman
Music: Dale North and Terrence O’Brien

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Devindra: [00:00:00] What’s up, Web, and welcome again to the Engadget Podcast. I am Senior Editor Devindra Hardawar.

Cherlynn: I am Deputy Editor Cherlynn Low.

Devindra: This week, we have got critiques for the Pixel 9 and 9 Professional and XLs and all the varied Pixel 9 fashions, aside from the Fold that is not out but. In order that’s very unhappy. That is gonna be a pair weeks away.

And we have additionally acquired some information from Gamescom 2024, which is, I suppose, nonetheless occurring. However a lot of the main information has already occurred from the opening night time and a few followup occasions. And yeah, acquired some weekly information as nicely. As at all times, of us, should you’re having fun with the present, please be sure you subscribe to us on iTunes or your podcatcher of selection, go away us a evaluation on iTunes and drop us an electronic mail at podcastengadget.

com and be a part of us Thursdays, sometimes round three. 10 45 AM Japanese on our YouTube channel the place we stay stream the present and you’ll discuss to us. We’ll exhibit some devices. I do know Sherilyn has one thing she needs to indicate off quickly throughout our Q and A’s and it is enjoyable time. We have additionally acquired group of individuals right here.

So be a part of us. We have got the pixel telephones now, Sherilyn. I am certain [00:01:00] you have been like in enhancing hell for the previous week. Are you able to broadly inform us, so how will we really feel concerning the, let’s deal with the pixel 9 proper now. How will we really feel concerning the pixel 9?

Cherlynn: The pixel 9, I wasn’t anticipating it to get an excellent excessive rating, however Sam, who reviewed the pixel 9 for us appears actually impressed.

I imply, like Sam likes

Devindra: it. Sam Rutherford, Sam Rutherford

Cherlynn: is our like Android principal particular person. And he’s additionally our foldables particular person. So, so having him evaluation like probably the most normal pixel 9, I used to be identical to, it is a, he will be bored. Proper. I used to be like, this man’s used to his large foldable screens, however Sam actually loved the pixel 9 and prefer to contextualize it for everybody.

I went from studying Matt’s evaluation first of the pixel 9 professional and professional XL. So Matt Smith, our UK bureau chief I went from enhancing him after which occurring to Sam, whose evaluation went up the subsequent day. And once more, you, you learn the professional evaluation, you are like, after all, it is good. [00:02:00]After all, everybody preferred the professional.

Meta scored the professional

Devindra: very, very excessive. That’s shocking. Nicely,

Cherlynn: let’s get to that. I wished to speak about that. However you, I imply, you requested to start out with the 9. So we’ll begin with the 9, the fundamental child. Nicely, should you, if

Devindra: you are feeling extra within the professional, you can begin there. It is as much as you.

Cherlynn: We are able to. I’ve simply began speaking concerning the 9.

Let’s end this thought. So, so after I went from Matt to Sam, I wasn’t anticipating, I used to be anticipating like, I want this was the professional, you already know, sort of that vibe. I did not get that. I truly acquired Sam going On the finish, he mentioned really, should you do not want the Gemini superior AI, should you do not want like a telephoto, like a devoted telephoto digicam, it’s possible you’ll even be very proud of the Pixel 9, which is once more, what we at all times differentiate between the professional and the common flagships.

Is that it is the

Devindra: iPhone and. iPhone professional state of affairs too, proper? Precisely. It is the

Cherlynn: identical state of affairs now. So I feel it was although in earlier years that as a result of there was by no means a smaller pixel professional, it was at all times like a bigger pixel professional is at all times a [00:03:00] bigger cellphone. We had extra purpose to advocate. The 9 due to measurement, however now it is no, even when there’s like an alternate measurement within the premium, like premium high finish, like type of a variant, we nonetheless are just like the nines fairly freaking good.

So I used to be simply shocked by that. Now. Again to your level the extra attention-grabbing evaluation in my view is the, the, the truth that Matt determined to award the Pixel 9 Professional and 9 Professional XL respectively, like actually excessive scores for any, I feel even any Android handset ever for us, 94 and 92 is the place we landed with the 9 Professional and 9 Professional XL respectively.

And once more, to contextualize and provide you with all like somewhat little bit of behind the scenes. He candidly, he scored them somewhat bit larger at first. And I used to be like, Whoa, We’re

Devindra: not going to have a 100 out of 100 math. Yeah. I simply was

Cherlynn: like, I feel we would must tamper this somewhat bit. I really feel like we’re very [00:04:00] excited, however we have to give ourselves some.

Some a somewhat little bit of wiggle room like what are they they are not excellent, proper? So I feel we tweaked and within the tweaking we tweaked the unique scores for each gadgets each went down somewhat bit I feel should you have a look at our rating for final 12 months’s pixel 8 Professional It was 93 and once more That is like method too within the weeds and each Matt and I can be like we hate Arguing over one or two factors, however here is the reasoning 93 for final 12 months’s.

And often we’re like, that is simply nearly as good if not higher. So possibly we’ll go to 93 or 91, however then we introduced the pixel 9 professional Excel down a degree, and that’s partially as a result of. Matt nonetheless wished to have a sufficiently big hole between the 9 professional and the 9 professional XL. And so 93 simply was good. Wasn’t giving us a whole lot of room.

After which the opposite purpose is that the 9 professional XL truly, despite the fact that it has is identical measurement is display is 0. 1 inch greater this 12 months, which like. would not sound like a lot if you’re speaking a few [00:05:00] body that is nonetheless the identical measurement, however the display for Matt, who boldly claimed he had bigger than common palms or common or no matter, not too small palms.

I do not know what he is telling us there, however he was all like, It was already exhausting. Be humble brag.

Devindra: Thanks Matt.

Cherlynn: Yeah, it was a really humble brag, however even for Matt, it was like exhausting to achieve the corners. And so with that we have been like, alright, it is price like saying it’s unwieldy. It’s a dearer cellphone than final 12 months.

These AI options do not do sufficient for us to be like, yeah, it is price that, that, you already know, holding it identical rating type of state of affairs but so. We introduced it down a degree, however that is not a nasty factor as a result of why? The 9 Professional, holy crap, we it is arguably considered one of our highest scored telephones round 94. So, clearly you have learn these critiques, Davindra have been you shocked on the scores we gave?

Devindra: I am actually, I used to be shocked on the rating of the 9 Professional. The XL, you already know, being somewhat extra unwieldy, I used to be not shocked there, however, It does appear I do not know, I used to be speaking about this with Sam somewhat bit too round his evaluation. It’s [00:06:00] humorous to see Google’s journey on like the way in which it is pondering of Android telephones, proper?

Trigger they launched with. Let’s return in historical past, proper? They launched with the HTC G1, proper? And among the like early Motorola’s like stuff from third events. Then third social gathering began making a whole lot of rubbish and placing a whole lot of stuff into Android software program. So Google was like, okay, okay, maintain up.

Let’s have these Nexus telephones, that are simply pure Android, which run all our stuff and would not have any of your third social gathering rubbish. And at that time. That by no means, that was by no means an enormous vendor, proper? That was for the followers, the tremendous followers, the folks on-line, the tremendous nerds. Pixel was their try to be like, okay, let’s screw it.

Let’s simply go iPhone. And I really feel like 9 generations in they lastly executed it. The digicam bar has been chopped up. The design seems somewhat spiffier. I am not too shocked. I do really feel prefer it looks like Google knocked this one out. So. I used to be shocked by the rating quantity, however yeah, I really feel like Google, it has been a protracted highway for Google to get thus far to make just like the [00:07:00] preferrred Android cellphone, I might say.

Cherlynn: It has. And I, I imply, I do not know if I might name it the perfect Android cellphone, even when I feel it’s. It is a very considerably improved machine over, as an instance the sooner pixels, despite the fact that it appears like over the pixel eight, which I even have right here, proper. And for these of you on the stream, I am holding up facet by facet so you may sort of look proper.

The design felt good on the pixel eight professional, you already know, the colours, you already know, Google’s at all times nailed the colour combo. It feels very totally different this time. I feel you have seen all our critiques. I simply talked about this independently, Matt Smith within the UK and Sam in New Jersey have been each all this appears like an iPhone.

Matt virtually picked it up and was like, this feels just like the iPhone. And it seems like an iPhone, and that is not a nasty factor, proper? As a result of they nonetheless have sufficient of a distinction, just like the digicam bar is totally different sufficient, there’s the G brand I suppose. Is {that a}, that is a, that is factor within the sense that it feels premium.

It feels strong. It appears like actual cellphone. And I am certain there are individuals who will not be completely satisfied about that. They’re like, you already know, do not preserve [00:08:00] copying Apple telephones are so boring now. They’re all the identical as a result of do not forget the Samsung S24 collection. Additionally really feel like iPhones I’ve acquired a Samsung S24 within the hand as nicely.

And it is they’ve all grow to be kind of the identical. And whether or not it is a good or unhealthy factor is de facto as much as you to resolve. However for Google although, the design. It is an enormous step up, proper? Like they do not really feel the necessity to differentiate. They do not really feel the necessity to do these like extremely like slimmy, curvy sides anymore to realize a slider, barely thinner profile.

It is, it feels very grown up. And I wrote a blurb for our greatest smartphones man concerning the Pixel 9 Professional saying that this appears like a grown up cellphone and to Matt’s level in his evaluation. a showcase for Gemini AI. And I feel that that is what these telephones are all about. Pixel telephones have at all times been concerning the digicam, however like these are like digicam plus, you already know,

Devindra: Are we liking the AI options?

And we also needs to differentiate between the native stuff, which you do not have to pay for, after which there’s the fancier stuff, which comes free with the professional gadgets for a 12 months, however [00:09:00]you’ll have to pay for that ultimately, no less than 20 bucks a month. Is the AI stuff any good?

Cherlynn: I imply, the aptitude and the like precise good of it.

Like The, the, the, how nicely it really works. Proper. Looks like fairly good. I imply, add me, everybody’s been having enjoyable with once more, independently, each Sam and Matt have been like, we use add me to clone ourselves. Within the, and add me to be clear is the characteristic on the digicam the place you may have. You already know, you take a gaggle shot after which you may hand, somebody takes a photograph first after which hand the cellphone off to another person.

And then you definitely, the photographer can go and take your home within the image. And the cellphone will give some AI information, AR steerage to indicate you the place to, you already know, body up the shot and to make your, make you within the image. In order that appeared spectacular sufficient and enjoyable sufficient that they each have been like taking part in round with it.

As a result of it is solely been what, like per week since these telephones have been launched. It is a not sufficient time to say how a lot we’ll use this in the actual world. Issues just like the pixel screenshots app. I feel there are issues right here and there the place Sam loved it. Sam actually discovered it helpful. Matt had points with it.

Like he factors [00:10:00] out that like you may’t. Mechanically again up your whole Google photographs historical past on setup. So it might be like, you’ll go to, you’ll have to manually import photos one after the other. And it is simply not, yeah, I imply, not, there’s nothing flawed with like manually importing photos and this can be a large privateness factor as a result of some folks’s yeah,

Devindra: it is positively a privateness factor.

Cherlynn: Yeah. It is like Google photographs. My, mine is like so a few years in historical past and I do not wish to give it entry to every thing without delay. So anyway, there’s additionally the pixel studio app, which I feel each of Sam and Matt preferred as a result of it was enjoyable, however each of them have been additionally like, eh I feel that is extra of a criticism of picture turbines like that basically, the place such as you feed mid journey a immediate and it comes up, how a lot are you going to make use of this?

We’re probably not gonna do that each one day. It isn’t. That a lot helpful. So these are the primary AI options. I imply, the remainder of the stuff, like your typical Gmail abstract issues or like your, even Apple [00:11:00] intelligence is making an attempt to do a few of these issues. I, I did not get an actual large sense that they have been that like loopy good.

I imply, Sam talked about name notes in his piece, however I feel none of us have actually put it to by the ringer by like actually tough calls to see if it really works that method. By means of all these conditions as nicely. So,

Devindra: and that is the factor that can summarize your name and provide you with notes, just like the factor in textual content.

That is cool. Yeah. A

Cherlynn: transcript and a abstract, which is cool. I feel. Yeah.

Devindra: Okay, cool. So, however I imply, total I suppose any surprises, any, any shocking highlights from the Israelin or any like shocking disappointments.

Cherlynn: Zoom improve on movies is a bizarre, prefer it take, it took them one 12 months to truly deliver it out to a tool.

Ben: Sure.

Cherlynn: After which the, the truth that it is not on the 9, you must have a 9 professional to make use of it was what Sam identified within the night time, which is, you already know, I might count on that from Sam, proper. Who’s used to reviewing professional telephones. After which for Matt, I feel he, however they each identified in low mild, Google’s cameras nonetheless far and away higher than the competitors.

They each. [00:12:00]meticulously put it by his paces within the digicam entrance. I feel all of us actually get pleasure from digicam testing and it nonetheless got here up tops, proper? Google nonetheless got here up tops on digicam. And Matt, our evaluation virtually did not rise up on time as a result of he needed to run the battery check for the Pixel Professional XL. Nicely, the Professional arrived somewhat later than the Professional XL did so he did not have as a lot time, but additionally the Professional ran for thus lengthy.

It lasted 25 hours on our battery check. That is lots. I imply, the Professional XL acquired 23 hours thereabouts. Wait, that is already longer. The 25 hour mark is longer than our subsequent closest quantity, which is the OnePlus 12, I consider. So, throughout simply extremely spectacular telephones. I am shocked. And I feel that that is what’s shocking, proper?

We’re like, whoa, these are good?

Devindra: What? These are good? Nicely, there have been a whole lot of shocks early on. It is these are fashionable? These appear succesful and good? I do know I feel that is going to be an enormous compelling issue for lots of people, Shirley. I am like, Google for a very long time has been like, we’re making telephones for nerds and for individuals who do not care as a lot about [00:13:00] Samsung bling and no matter.

And now it is simply no, Google’s no, we’re simply, we’re simply going to do the identical factor. We’ll do iPhone kind stuff. How does this examine to the present Samsung stuff, Cherlynn?

Cherlynn: I imply, I feel Google has the higher hand in AI, for certain, and cameras, so I feel that is what I used to be seeing throughout the board, that just like the S24’s cameras have been good, however in some conditions not nearly as good, though one, in a single event, like Samsung did higher on the Professional XL or one thing, after which I wish to handle among the questions within the chat actually shortly, so, MiniMeA1231 asks if we can be evaluating the Google AI versus the Apple AI.

Clearly we will not proper now as a result of the Apple intelligence stuff is not out. We may examine Samsung’s to your focal point, Samsung’s Galaxy AI to Google’s Gemini AI, however like I mentioned, it is simply Completely different purposes, various things like Samsung’s AI, Galaxy AI characteristic within the Z Flip 6 and the Z Fold 6, that are its newest to characteristic like new Galaxy AI options got here with you may draw onto an image and it will add a cat, you already know?

Yeah. That type of factor to me is de facto enjoyable, however the precise use of it, IDK, proper? In the meantime, [00:14:00]Google’s acquired no equal characteristic. It is acquired auto body and reimagine, and it is acquired like pixel studio. And so there isn’t any simple approach to do an apples to apples comparability. However I additionally wish to handle that CUD or CUT who’s a well-recognized identify from our chat says that entire add me characteristic.

Is that this one thing that individuals need? As a result of it’s kind of bizarre if it turns into the norm, folks would simply be including in all their family and friends and photographs once they have been by no means there. Would possibly as nicely add your cat and canine when you’re at it. I do not assume you may, after the actual fact, add folks, FYI. So for add me, it is such as you’re holding up the cellphone.

After which, for instance, I’ve had household visiting this previous couple weeks or so. And if I am sounding ragged, that is why. And we have been taking like household photos, proper? So it is 4 of us. And we strive to not trouble folks. So we do not ask them. Stranges additionally, you do not at all times really feel protected, proper if you’re on the road and like standing in entrance of a museum and take a 4, 4, 4 of us please.

Who’s to say they will not simply run? So I may have my cousin, you already know, maintain up the cellphone and take the preliminary image whereas I pose along with his mother and pop. After which he comes [00:15:00] into the image. I maintain up the cellphone and he go, I feel if there are a whole lot of. Particular use instances the place it’s going to be useful. And I do not assume you may add a cat and canine in since you’ll by no means get the cat and canine to remain within the place they want them to.

So CD lower, I’m sorry however I do not assume you may. And I feel I might I may see some use for this add me characteristic.

Devindra: I am certain folks will work out methods to hack it, nevertheless it does appear from the demos they did. Prefer it creates like an AR state of affairs of the place you might be proper now. Yeah. When you break that.

Atmosphere like the place it’s. I do not assume you may truly even sew one thing into that. I feel the larger concern is simply it’s bizarre to have some options locked into simply Google’s telephones when Google is each, you already know, an organization making telephones, but additionally the corporate offering the software program to everyone else.

That is very very similar to Inter Explorer on home windows, you already know, or Apple locking down some options simply to its gadgets. Prefer it feels if this goes on. Folks can chat Monopoly or one thing occurring right here. Do you are feeling bizarre about that, Trillian? Like a few of these simply being on Google stuff for thus far?

Cherlynn: [00:16:00] I, I do not know that they’ll at all times be that method. I feel that like for some issues, as a result of Gemini Superior is one thing which you can apply for and get with every other. Like cellphone, proper? Like you may apply for and so a few of these options may come out to a future android telephones or different branded Android telephones after which with pixel there have been a couple of issues which have been locked into pixel for a really very long time like pixel ui issues pixels, name screening pixels like normal like name help issues have been very pixel cellphone centric and I really feel like that is as a result of it has been Constructed so deeply into the U S versus it is an app, proper?

The pixel screenshots at pixel recorder. These issues have ultimately opened as much as another possibly Samsung, possibly I do not even assume there’s different Android gamers actually, however yeah, however Samsung, proper. And so they work carefully sufficient with Samsung to be like ultimately possibly proper. Circle to look is a characteristic that launched first on Samsung, despite the fact that it was a Google characteristic.

So I really feel prefer it’s not essentially tremendous locked in. And even when it have been. To reply that a part of your query, I do not [00:17:00] know if that’s such an enormous deal. I feel possibly Google does must preserve a few of this for itself, proper? Like we, we all know that Android is meant to be like probably the most open ecosystem. It is purported to be like welcoming and like no matter, however Google at this level wants to have the ability to play the sport the way in which Samsung, Apple.

Particularly Apple. Does it? Does it although?

Devindra: It is, it is inherently unfair to be each the software program vendor doing it and in addition be like, oh, additionally, hey companions, we’re additionally going to straight compete with you in {hardware} and in addition preserve options to ourselves which you can by no means contact. Like that, that’s the place anti aggressive stuff like begins to come up, I suppose, yeah.

I

Cherlynn: imply, I feel Google has its ft and toes in so many issues that prefer it’s anti aggressive in a whole lot of different areas. However I feel on the pixel entrance, prefer it’s typically been making an attempt to deliver pixel first or pixel solely options to extra gadgets. However then you already know, if you mentioned the entire like, Oh, you are speaking concerning the software program and the {hardware}.

I used to be like at first actually readying to answer being like, Apple does that. However then you definitely have been saying that it is not truthful as a result of Google competes with its personal clients. So I get [00:18:00]that. I do not know. I do not know that I do not understand how they are going about it, actually.

Devindra: The US authorities has declared them a monopoly.

Yep. Proper. Or no less than the US choose has. Anti belief. Anti belief. So search there. They’re a search monopoly. Android is such a open ecosystem that everyone helps. I simply really feel like Google goes to begin to be frightened about this as a result of we already talked concerning the potential repercussions from the search monopoly factor, like may, might be like, Hey, possibly you need to cut up up somewhat bit.

Possibly we should always take out a few of these components of Google and make them separate firms. I’m wondering if. The corporate itself is somewhat afraid of that as a result of it is not simply Oh, we will slap a 5 or 10 million fantastic on you, which is like the cash Google, you already know, that it is of their sofa cushions.

It is like extra critical issues may occur.

Cherlynn: Can I shortly return to the chat for particular to pixel inquiries to the pixel 9, I imply, so, has Sam. Possibly Sam in an alternate timeline is would love to listen to concerning the warmth administration of the Tensor 4. And that is one thing that did come up in our pixel 9 Professional evaluation.

So Matt seen that the Tensor G 4 truly runs a [00:19:00] lot cooler than older pixel cellphone. So sorry. It is very bizarre to be just like the Tenser G 4 runs cooler than the Pixel eight Professional as a result of like, the place else is the Tenser G three? The Tenser G three gonna be clearly the Pixel eight Professional. However I feel it is essential to deal with the cellphone than simply the chip as a result of despite the fact that the chip does supposedly run cooler, it is also the truth that prefer to depro9’s level within the chat, Pixel 9 collection has a greater like thermal dissipation system, so prefer it’s lots cooler.

I did discover that sure, the Pixel 8 Professional that I used to be utilizing would run actually scorching. I have not, I feel, pushed the 9 Professional XL sufficient to really feel like it could in, you already know, You already know, that circumstance in any other case be scorching however I’ve by no means felt it run scorching. Proper. So prefer to that time, it actually appears to run cooler.

And Matt positively pushed it more durable in his evaluation and was like, it was cooler. So, has Sam, I hope that solutions your query. And I imply, However I feel the truth that the cellphone’s somewhat bit thicker of a, of a profile is partly as a result of it wanted to construct in some type of like higher cooling [00:20:00] system.

Gotcha.

Devindra: Gotcha. Okay. Nicely, every other ideas on this stuff? I might wish to level folks to our critiques, go test them out on the positioning.

Cherlynn: Go take a look at our website. Pixel 9 Professional critiques been up since yesterday and our Pixel 9 critiques up in the present day. The on sale date for that collection of telephones is up in the present day. After which we now have so many different Pixel gadgets coming in.

Ship me your questions on them. I am like. What do you wish to know most concerning the 9 Professional Full, the Pixel Watch 3, and the Pixel Buds Professional 2? Final week additionally on Saturday I did a fast Engadget evaluation recap, and I can be doing considered one of these for the Pixel, all of the Pixel merchandise in some unspecified time in the future.

So, once more, I actually wish to know your ideas on the upcoming gadgets earlier than we evaluation them in order that I can go into them on the lookout for these questions. So ship them our method, podcast. engadget. com. You may at all times electronic mail me. C H E R at Engadget. com as nicely.

Devindra: Let’s transfer on to some information from Gamescom 2024, which is occurring proper now [00:21:00] in Cologne, Germany. We’re not there in particular person, I consider, however we’re overlaying a whole lot of information from the occasion. And a few highlights right here and becoming a member of us for this dialogue is our podcast producer, Ben Ellman. Hey, Ben.

Ben: Trigger after we’re speaking about video video games, it is Ben time.

Devindra: It is Ben time. And we do not, we do not wish to break Sherilyn’s mind with a few of this sport stuff, as a result of I am certain Sherilyn doesn’t care concerning the Indiana Jones sport coming to Xbox. I do not know. Do you, Sherilyn?

Cherlynn: I’ve heard that younger Indiana Jones.

Devindra: What?

Cherlynn: Who, who, who was the actor? Shit. You

Ben: imply Shia LaBeouf?

You imply River Phoenix? No, no, no, no.

Cherlynn: Younger, what’s his face? Younger crap. This older man.

Devindra: Okay, that is why, younger Harrison Ford?

Cherlynn: Harrison Ford! Younger Harrison Ford! That is why Ben is on this phase. This

Devindra: is why Ben helps us out. Anyway, I’ve

Cherlynn: heard that younger Harrison Ford is scorching. Anyway, that is all.

That is all. Go for it. It

Devindra: would not, nevertheless it would not seem like Harrison Ford. It is it is a completely totally different I

Cherlynn: know I am simply saying that once I hear Indiana Jones, I feel okay So Shulman

Devindra: is speaking concerning the CG model of younger Harrison Ford. No, I have been [00:22:00] despatched

Cherlynn: photos of him on his heyday

Devindra: AI okay. Nicely, sure, he was scorching.

Sure, but additionally in the latest film they use AI to de age him Yeah, you get a glimpse of that that outdated scorching Harrison Ford face anyway We’re speaking concerning the sport right here. This sport is without doubt one of the like uncommon exclusives that Microsoft has. And there was a whole lot of speak about this factor. That is Indiana Jones and the nice circle.

It is coming from it is developed by Xbox subsidiary machine video games. I consider. It, this got here as a part of the the entire ZeniMax acquisition. So when Microsoft purchased id Software program, Arcane, Bethesda machine video games got here alongside that. And I consider there was a deal to get this sport to Sony’s ultimately.

So here is what we realized is that this sport is coming to Xbox and PC on December ninth. It is coming to the PlayStation 5. A few months later in spring 2025 and the nerds, particularly the Microsoft nerds, the Xbox followers have gone somewhat loopy as a result of they’re like our unique. What’s occurring now?

Do you’ve got ideas about this [00:23:00]Trillian or Ben?

Ben: That is Microsoft admitting that not very many individuals have Xboxes they usually don’t need this to simply be a PC sport.

Devindra: Microsoft is a enterprise they usually prefer to promote video games and sadly their {hardware}. Has not executed job of that. So I feel that is the fundamental factor right here.

Does this really feel odd to you, Sherilyn? Or is that this identical to bizarre fanboy inviting at this level?

Cherlynn: I at all times consider it as unusual fanboy infighting as a result of I do not concentrate as a lot to this information. Would not actually matter to me.

Devindra: It is humorous, like, if you tune what are the avid gamers as much as? They’re mad about Indiana Jones.

They’re mad about this woman character starring in a sport. The avid gamers should not okay. Yeah.

Cherlynn: From time to time there’s this large Controversy in gaming, proper? Oh, nicely, what trans characters, sexism, violence. There’s at all times sort of up, you already know, like public outcry over a whole lot of this stuff. I feel I am extra involved when it is like when blizzard Activision and all, they’ve all that stuff, proper?

Sexism on the office, poisonous surroundings, like that type of we’ll discuss

Devindra: about that [00:24:00] quickly. Much more hurt. Yeah, so we’ll get to that. Don’t be concerned. We have got that. So anyway,

Cherlynn: I used to be wanting ahead to it. Superior.

Devindra: There’s information right here.

Ben: Okay. So Devindra, considered one of my large questions was, you already know, as I used to be watching the trailer for this sport and studying Jess’s first look,

Devindra: the sport, which seems sick as hell, by the way in which, I do assume this sport seems implausible.

Ben: Yeah. So I used to be questioning, okay, with the Uncharted collection and every thing, like why is not this a 3rd particular person sport? However then after watching the trailer, I spotted, okay, I feel they wish to make it actually visceral. There’s a whole lot of hand handy fight on this sport. They wish to make it really feel like the flicks did.

The struggle choreography within the Indiana Jones films again then, simply struggle choreography total, was okay. It was fantastic. Yeah. And Indiana Jones was by no means identified for large martial arts maneuvers like Batman or something. Oh no, he is identified for taking pictures the man swinging the sword. Yeah, precisely. So you may’t actually have an Arkham Asylum, you [00:25:00]know, third particular person model Indiana Jones sport the place Indy is like breaking a Nazi’s again over his knee.

Devindra: They, they may have executed some, I, I actually favor third particular person, like angles, like video games too. Trigger I prefer to see my characters once I’m operating round, however I feel that largely this comes from machine video games, proper? And machine video games, they did these the Wolfenstein the latest, like Wolfenstein video games, that are implausible and good.

And in addition I didn’t actually care to play like a contemporary Wolfenstein shooter, however they did nice stuff when it got here to love environmental storytelling, good writing. They, they did some attention-grabbing stuff with first particular person shooters. So I feel it is only a, an attention-grabbing selection to do that. I feel the digicam pans out generally.

So that you do see the character and in lower scenes, you see him too. We’ll, we’ll see how this goes. Go learn Jess’s, Jess Condit’s palms on with this factor. The title is Indiana Jones and the Nice Circle has a Nazi slapping mechanic and gotta adore it to see gotta adore it Shout out to this sport for doing that.

Additionally in Microsoft information, there is a couple assistive tech issues that they introduced. [00:26:00] There is a new Xbox adaptive joystick, which is a single stick kind of factor, which seems like, actually, it seems lots like a VR controller, like one thing with the Oculus Headset or one thing, however you may plug this into an current xbox controller the adaptive controller and offers you a bunch of controls They’ll deal with with only one hand let me see right here.

There are additionally some 3d printable information for Adaptex thumbstick toppers so you may obtain these information. They’re free. You need to get entry to the 3d printer Speak to your native library as a result of usually they may have a few of these gadgets. However you may print out this stuff to get like higher grips in your cellphone too, for individuals who have bother with with, you already know, very typical gripping.

There’s additionally this cool factor. Let me see right here in partnership with 8BitDo that. Controller firm. There’s the sunshine S E 2. 4 G wi-fi controller, which is a sport pad with all of the inputs on the highest has low resistance buttons and Corridor impact joysticks additionally has these like large eight, however do the tremendous buttons that they placed on their mechanical keyboards.

Identical to an enormous ass button [00:27:00]you may hit. And I suppose program issues too. So a whole lot of attention-grabbing choices right here too. I am seeing CUD within the chat

Ben: saying that it seems like a Wii nunchuck. That’s not flawed. It

Devindra: is just not flawed, however extra particularly, if Microsoft have been to be like, Hey, possibly we should always do a VR headset or one thing.

This type of seems like what a VR management seems like, possibly with out the movement controls. So that’s cool. Additionally, additionally the all digital Xbox collection X, which we thought was sort of a joke when Microsoft introduced it a few months in the past, you may pre order that now it is 450. It is going to be coming to the U S on October fifteenth.

It is solely 50 cheaper than the disc model, that disc model, which by the way in which, usually goes on sale for 400. generally even much less. So I am nonetheless somewhat baffled by this factor. I am much more baffled by the 600 particular version, which has a two terabyte drive and the disk drive, nevertheless it’s 600. I do not, I do not know.

And we have been simply speaking

Ben: about how Xbox is Solely doing okay. They’re solely doing so

Devindra: quite than reducing the costs [00:28:00] to ship extra containers or I do not know, man, folks like us. We would quite promote extra video games by Sony than make our containers cheaper. So a extremely attention-grabbing calculation Microsoft is making there.

Did you ever resolve on the subsequent field? Did you ever get the collection S? Trigger we have talked about that for a few years.

Cherlynn: By no means, child, by no means get a PS 5 professional or no matter.

Devindra: That was time to keep away from that however I do not know extra steam deck stuff for you or these PC handhelds I do know you have been taking part in round with yeah I

Ben: assume that really the PC handhelds are in all probability the most suitable choice for Cherlynn

Devindra: as they get smaller too as a result of they’re nonetheless large and sure

Cherlynn: smaller is best.

They are a bit large and heavy proper now I imply I performed lots with the I feel I knew, I imply, I performed somewhat bit with the steam duck. And my swap continues to be a ravishing decoration. You may,

Devindra: you may actually play a lot of the like good indie video games proper now on swap. So you are not lacking out

Cherlynn: fairly outdated swap.

Acquired it like proper earlier than the pandemic. So, however

Devindra: you in all probability had the up to date battery no less than if that was 20, higher battery

Cherlynn: for certain. [00:29:00] I had that. I imply, I feel I am fascinated with these video games, I like the hand-held video games, however like my, I do not know, my habits have modified a lot over the previous few years, it is oh, I acquired into crocheting lots, and now I simply sit round drawing.

Devindra: You bought into Vampire Survivors in your cellphone, proper? And that made you somewhat loopy, so I feel you are able to do that on Swap.

Cherlynn: I’m a beast at vampire survivors. I do not know what y’all speaking about. I am a gamer.

Ben: Borderlands

Devindra: 4 is coming, which appears like a risk. Gearbox and 2k video games introduced it is coming in 2025, which I feel the impression of this announcement would have been possibly they have been planning for the film to go somewhat higher.

Possibly they have been being like, oh, yeah, persons are hyped for Borderlands proper now. Let’s announce our subsequent sport no, everyone hates the Borderlands film. I referred to as it a catastrophe. It’s it is an enormous mess So I do not know who’s excited for this factor However hopefully it is higher than Borderlands 3 which I recall being somewhat disappointing

Ben: On reflection Might we now have mentioned that the Borderlands, we knew that the Borderlands film was not going to be that nice after we noticed that Kevin Hart was solid in it?[00:30:00]

Devindra: He isn’t the issue. He isn’t the issue in that film. The issue is that you already know, the script is unhealthy. Plenty of issues are unhealthy in that film.

Ben: So speaking particularly about Borderlands 4, I simply want that I had extra of a squad to play it with, as a result of I’ve been taking part in 2. I acquired these on sale as a part of a, sort of like, purchase the entire assortment deal a few years in the past.

And I used to be having time taking part in it on my own, however I used to be like, eh, I really feel like I would like extra folks. And, like, once I began taking part in this was a time Type of like I had taken a sabbatical from like on-line sort of squad based mostly video games. And now that I’ve been taking part in Helldivers a lot, I’ve acquired like 125 hours in on there.

God rattling it. Yeah. Now I am pondering, okay, yeah. I actually wish to discover a squad of individuals to do different like squad based mostly video games with.

Devindra: I imply, you have acquired a whole lot of choices, Sam. You have acquired all of the, all the opposite kinds of what Valorant? And whatnot. So I do not know. There’s so many squad based mostly video games [00:31:00] proper now.

That is I do marvel would not the precise like evolution of Borderlands be like, let’s do a future kind of factor the place you are truly occurring, you already know, multiplayer missions and stuff with folks. I feel, trigger you would do co op play and simply dick round in Borderlands, nevertheless it was by no means as strong as one thing like future.

So I do not know. That might be the factor. Did you see the story, Ben and Cherlynn concerning the NVIDIA ACE digital people? I acquired lots

Ben: to say about this, however go on. So much to

Devindra: say. These are, these are, so final 12 months, I consider, NVIDIA confirmed off, it is an avatar cloud engine expertise, Ace expertise that is powering characters in some video games.

So principally, creating NPCs that can react to you the way in which like ChatGPT does, in order that they’d converse if to you When you ask them a query or should you select a sure immediate or one thing, they may react to what you are saying, or possibly react to your clothes, but additionally their mannequin will like, seem like it is speaking correctly.

They may have a semi AI dialog. Lots of people have been criticizing this as a approach to be like so that you, this implies you are not, you do not want as many [00:32:00] writers, proper? This implies you would simply populate your video games with this bizarre. AI spouting avatars and never truly write dialogue for them or storylines or something.

That is the controversy. The information is that it is truly coming to a multiplayer mecha sport referred to as Mecha Break. I’ve not heard an excessive amount of about this sport, however it’s truly occurring. It is, it’s very actual. What did you consider this information Ben?

Ben: I watched the video the place, you already know, you are principally in sort of like a cyberpunk esque world and such as you’re going right into a sushi store and also you’re speaking with the like sushi store proprietor.

And I feel it is cool that you should use your voice to work together with this AI character. I feel that that is a extremely cool characteristic. cool like technique of enter and one thing that is in all probability going to pop up in much more video games. However, when the character began speaking, it felt very picket. It felt such as you have been speaking to a robotic.

The voice did not have very a lot coloration to it. And [00:33:00] hey, I am a voice man, so. Oh you may inform. Actually? Yeah, I really need that to really feel extra alive. And so I used to be pondering, how would we find yourself utilizing this expertise? As a result of I feel that it might be helpful in some instances, however positively not as the primary participant character.

Positively not. As you already know, the subsequent rung of NPCs. Yeah, these are like NPCs in bizarre

Devindra: submissions off on the finish of the map or one thing. Yeah, ought to

Ben: in all probability like an important, you already know, 5 or so NPCs ought to in all probability nonetheless be written and acted. However. The place this might find yourself being actually helpful is when you’ve got an enormous open world sport I am excited about like Murderer’s Creed or one thing the place you are like at all times Working by these like crowded marketplaces or one thing and also you simply hear folks like yelling issues That when you’ve got a few [00:34:00] folks doing background enhancing Appearing like traces after which the remainder of it generated by NVIDIA ACE, then that might be a great way of stretching your finances somewhat bit additional and making the general world really feel a bit extra alive.

Devindra: Yeah. Yeah. You might be completely proper, Ben. That is I am certain what they’re all pondering. I hate that concept as a result of particularly like once I was taking part in the newest, like Murderer’s Creed sport, which is about method again in I do not know, it is, it is within the Center East 1000’s of years in the past and strolling by the cities, like strolling by the villages and seeing the way in which they constructed it and seeing like folks work together with dialogue that has been recorded by people and written by people.

Prefer it felt so alive. I used to be sort of astounded by that. And should you exchange that atmosphere with, with AI stuff, you already know, like that is that to me will kill the realism of the sport. And I am going to simply really feel like I am, Oh, I am simply strolling by the simulation proper now. I am not strolling by historical Baghdad or something.

Proper. It is I really feel like that’ll kill [00:35:00]it extra. So I am certain you all have ideas podcasting gadget. com. Hearken to what you consider this. I am not an enormous fan. Not an enormous fan of yeah. I simply hope it

Ben: would not kill the artwork of the like, little in joke sort of world constructing factor. One in all my favorites from Mass Impact was, there was that one race of aliens that felt prefer it wanted to, or in an effort to talk with different species, it wanted to preface the emotion that it was placing into its sentence.

It needed to like,

Devindra: yeah, say it in phrases. It is superb. I adore it.

Ben: Yeah. Like, if you’re in an elevator or one thing, there’s somewhat advert for a all that alien species manufacturing of Hamlet or one thing. So it is that is very humorous, and if we misplaced that, I might really feel like we’re shedding a lot from I do not know, quirky little world constructing issues in video video games.

Devindra: Quirky little issues? I imply, that is simply good writing. That is human ingenuity and creativity. There’s possibly one thing attention-grabbing that can occur with Hey, [00:36:00] emergent AI is avatars. That’s we love like sport methods. You see what folks do with the, simply the methods in breath of the wild and tears of the dominion, or assume again to far cry two, the place persons are identical to having a whole lot of enjoyable with the principles and the mechanics of that world.

I am certain it should result in a few of that stuff. I am simply frightened that. A few of these firms will over depend on all of it. Let’s transfer on to Black Fable Wukong although, which is a sport that’s completely killing it. Cherlynn, I really feel like this can be up your alley too, as a result of this can be a journey to the West sport, principally.

It is type of like an adaptation. I imply, I

Cherlynn: love the thought. Is it a preventing sport? Do you want struggle? It

Devindra: could be very a lot, it is like a Darkish Souls sport. It is like God of Struggle meets God of Darkish Souls. Okay, nevertheless it is not truly a Souls like sport. That is the factor. It seems like a Souls like sport, nevertheless it is not. It has the mechanics.

It has the therapeutic. It has the loopy ass bosses. What I am saying is it is rather a lot God of Struggle, the type of like adventuring round, not as open as like the way in which Elden Ring was, however very like in particular areas. It appears like Darkish Souls. It appears like [00:37:00]truly taking part in early Darkish Souls, but additionally with the massive ass bosses from Elden Ring and even God of Struggle, the newer video games ended up doing a whole lot of that.

So that is what this sport is.

Ben: In making an attempt to get myself in control on this sport, I used to be watching a whole lot of movies, watching some streamers and stuff. And the factor that I noticed first from so lots of the YouTube movies is saying that this is not a Souls like sport. After which once I watched precise gameplay, it confirmed, you already know, large bosses, like if you hit a boss or if you hit considered one of these like bigger enemies, all you are doing is chip harm.

And just like the fights are fairly lengthy, which makes me really feel like it’s sort of extra Souls like than not. I

Devindra: do not

Ben: perceive.

Devindra: It’s extra Souls like than it is not. I feel some persons are being bizarre and treasured as a result of avid gamers are bizarre. However no, you must stroll round and lightweight like lanterns. And that is the place you reply.

Once you die. The massive factor is you do not lose all of your stuff. You do not lose all of your expertise in your objects if you die. So you may simply return and preserve hammering at a boss, which is one thing you can not do in souls sport very [00:38:00] simply. I suppose it is extra like if you’re exploring someplace and also you die from some silly enemy and also you lose like a whole lot of good expertise.

That is the stuff that breaks my coronary heart. That simply would not occur on this sport. You may discover and do no matter. Anyway, the information is that it was launched this week and it broke Steam’s concurrent single participant document launch inside hours of its launch. So that’s an insane factor for, for it to occur.

I feel the numbers we noticed.

Ben: Not a lot of an asterisk although, the concurrent gamers, so a lot of them have been in China. That is

Cherlynn: folks being actually

Ben: enthusiastic. Ask Nick about it in China after which a small minority of individuals single digit share of individuals within the US have been taking part in this sport.

Cherlynn: What’s up, they usually have been all Chinese language to

Chinese language folks in Asia in America. No, I I imply, I, I am not shocked by the numbers. I feel the Wukong title is attention-grabbing. Like I wished to ask you about you already know, trigger y’all each delve into the similarities to darkish souls and discuss concerning the mechanics a [00:39:00]lot and the like elements of the story, however I am like, are the story characters.

I like from develop rising up. Are they there? You already know, are does the monkey king fall in love with the spider demon? Does like the ocean I I’ve deliver round get tighter. I’ve, I do know. In order that’s, that is what I might be curious to see in the event that they’ve like faithfully tailored the type of story. Issues that me, and I am certain these concurrent streamers who’re vastly Chinese language are on the lookout for, that is the type of like vibe we’re on the lookout for.

Possibly

Devindra: you, you performs the monkey king, so I am going to provide you with that. You bought the employees, you bought the, the cloud. He flies on. What’s humorous although is that I began watching OG Dragon Ball with my daughter and she or he’s very a lot into authentic Dragon Ball. I am like, look Monkey King, there’s the employees, there’s this clown, he is right here.

Tail. So here is my factor too.

Cherlynn: There have been a whole lot of not that, I am not speaking about particularly Dragon Ball, however there have been like a whole lot of different diversifications, possibly even western diversifications of the Monkey King story that do not really feel as trustworthy. I keep in mind Monkey King showing someplace as a playable character or like in another smaller film kind factor as [00:40:00] a baddie or one thing, proper?

And I am identical to, that is not what the Monkey King story is. It is a story about redemption. It is

Devindra: about redemption, yeah. And the wily monkey. Anyway! I simply wish to level out that that loopy numbers from the sport, what we have been seeing is 88 % of the gamers have been in China. So U. S. was in

Cherlynn: America. What a pleasant coincidence.

We love the quantity 8. Yeah,

Devindra: I used to be questioning

Ben: about that. Very fortunate. How is it that it was 88%? Very fortunate. That simply looks like the books have been cooked up. We gamed

Cherlynn: it, y’all. That is all.

Ben: Let’s be clear. I’m not accusing them of cooking the books on this, nevertheless it simply looks like a

Devindra: actually attention-grabbing coincidence.

Nicely, let me put the context down right here. So that is basically China’s first triple A sport. The primary sport that’s on the extent of one thing like God of Struggle. So, yeah. I am fairly certain if if the federal government was

Cherlynn: in all probability nicely tailored. Yeah.

Devindra: If additionally, but when the federal government was like, we actually gotta get the numbers on this sport, like what

Cherlynn: can we simply activate everybody’s gaming consoles, [00:41:00]these

Devindra: consoles which are turned off due to gaming lockdown time you already know, the federal government’s sure, please, please.

All you bought all get free copies of the sport. I do not know. No, no, we do not know. In the event that they try this, they have been like,

Cherlynn: we’re good. We’re executed.

Devindra: I feel. Lots of people in China positively wish to play this sport. I am taking part in by it proper now. A few issues price mentioning as a result of the developer sport science was like within the information too, as a result of apparently.

There was a doc that went out to some streamers, or not streamers, however individuals who have been acquired the primary

Ben: have a look at the sport or one thing.

Devindra: The individuals who have been overlaying the sport, primarily in China, however apparently this went out to different nations, like a few different European nations too there was an inventory of forbidden topics of their evaluation settlement, which embody, don’t point out politics.

Don’t point out. Feminist propaganda. Don’t point out COVID 19 or China’s online game trade insurance policies, the stuff we’re speaking about proper now and different content material that instigates adverse discourse additionally consider like violence was one factor, despite the fact that this can be a sport concerning the monkey king, [00:42:00] like bashing large gods in, of their heads along with his stick.

Simply sort of humorous. There’s that entire factor. Sport science didn’t reply to an electronic mail. I am wanting on the New York occasions reporting right here. However this isn’t too shocking. Proper. Trigger we, we take care of all kinds of limitations in terms of after we cowl video games, it is primarily identical to it is embargo Hey, please do not spoil all of the storylines.

It is identical to a, an settlement to not spoil all the massive surprises within the sport, please. An embargo is okay, everybody goes to attempt to. Publish it this time or someday after that is like the final settlement. We’ll go to however actually not content material of our critiques Not like avoiding sure subjects yeah,

Ben: additionally the chief of sport science has I do not know.

He is only a poster like think about This most whacked out stuff that Elon Musk has been posting about not too long ago. This comes again to the thought of, are avid gamers okay? Players should not

Devindra: okay. I do not even

Ben: wish to point out it. It is simply sort of nasty fratty [00:43:00]tradition. You already know, in a Chinese language design studio.

Which makes me assume, oh man, are all avid gamers the identical? That is sort of unhappy. I feel lots, it is

Devindra: in, it is in, Particularly should you use it largely consists of dudes and trade that could be very dude heavy like sadly it leans to that There’s a nice reporting over at IGN final 12 months It is referred to as how black fable Wukong builders historical past of sexism is complicating its journey to the West Written by Rebecca Valentine and Kihun Chan This can be a good piece Value price studying as a result of yeah, basically the tradition of the studio doesn’t appear nice.

It appears very, very fratty, very very similar to a boys membership. I’ll inform you all this I am 10 hours into this sport and now I do really feel responsible about like taking part in it as a result of I didn’t understand how absolutely shitty they have been. Yeah. However Not a single girl, 10 hours of me taking part in this sport, speaking to different creatures, speaking to gods, speaking to you already know, different folks I am preventing or folks like dwelling on the mountain, not a single [00:44:00]feminine character.

So Laura query for certain.

Cherlynn: I am certain that is what you are about to ask Ben, which is, let me simply inform you, the story itself is closely male dominant, proper? It, the story of the journey to the West is that this monkey King, this monk, and like his three disciples, together with the monkey King. So there is a pig boy

Ben: and,

Cherlynn: Tang San Zhang is the monk.

After which he has Dude with the burly facial hair, that is considered one of his disciples. After which the Monkey King is just like the second disciple, proper? Or the third. And alongside the way in which, they go all the way in which to the west to retrieve one thing. I neglect what. The important thing, the important thing level of the entire whole story and I neglect.

However! Alongside the way in which they encounter demons and you already know issues that are supposed to like they wish to eat the monk’s flesh Principally as a result of it should give them immortality or one thing they usually’re demons they usually’re lesser beings within the lore, proper? so two of the demons that they encounter or three the spider demon and The 9 tailed fox or the fox demon or no matter.

These are each [00:45:00] ladies I have not encountered these characters

Devindra: but, so I do not know. So

Cherlynn: in all probability you’ve got encountered them as a result of they may be like greater, like enemies to struggle. However I additionally will level out that within the historic telling of the story, that these two are identified to seduce the, the monkey king and the, the monk, their try to, and it’s totally sexualized that method.

And in addition it. into like slang. I would not say slang, however just like the vernacular the place in Mandarin, the phrases spider demon or fox demon imply ladies who’re like, I do not wish to use the S phrase, however you already know what I imply? Like they’re somewhat promiscuous or they’re somewhat, Extra on the market, proper? So that you’re saying just like the story itself is

Devindra: like inherently sexist too?

Sure. Yeah. I’m not shocked. In no way shocked. But it surely does look like the sport is reflecting that. Hear I feel a contemporary developer might be like, nicely, screw that, proper? Like we may, we may change issues up as a result of we’re retelling the story. Might be.

Cherlynn: It could have been so cool.

Devindra: Would it not be so cool?

However it’s

Cherlynn: additionally China.

Devindra: Additionally it is China. The place such as you

Cherlynn: talked about these stipulations and in media and [00:46:00]in leisure, they’re very cautious concerning the messaging, which is why I used to be like nodding alongside if you mentioned these issues that they’ve stipulated as a result of it tracks.

Devindra: It tracks. Anyway sport is okay to date.

Like I am, I am having fun with no less than, nevertheless it does suck that this firm has a historical past of this. I really feel like that is like one thing, in the event that they cared, in the event that they cared in any respect, Simply the factor they may have famous, however no, it would not look like they’re, they care in any respect. Additionally rewatching authentic Dragon Ball you be taught just about like Bulma is the goat, however nothing would occur in Goku’s story with out Bulma.

So shout out to Bulma. My daughter, Sophia loves Bulma. She’s Bulma has all these like capsules. She’s acquired all these autos. She’s cool. Bulma is tremendous cool. Shout out to Bulma. Okay. In order that’s Gamescom. Go check out all of our protection from that occasion. And and should you’re taking part in Black Fable Wukong, let me know what you assume.

Let’s transfer on to another information actual fast. A few issues I wished to shout out. I wrote up one thing that’s so deeply nerdy, however I am very proud that we put it [00:47:00] on the positioning as a result of that is, this is not gadget. Okay, X mems, the corporate that Billy Steele has written about, which has produced strong state strong state drivers for earbuds and issues like that.

So not like conventional audio system with the coil and the magnet, all that stuff, strong state silicon that may, that may work as your earbud driver. This firm. He has used that very same expertise to provide a one millimeter tall fan on a chip. So that is one millimeter tall, basically a chip that may work as a fan.

It is utilizing ultrasonics to maneuver air round inside it. So

Ben: that is actually attention-grabbing. It is actually cool.

Cherlynn: Loopy. So the

Ben: entire thought is I used to be questioning like, the place are the transferring components? The place are the fan blade? Actually, actually tiny ultrasonics,

Devindra: Ben ultrasonics. So anyway, this firm they usually’re utilizing MEMS.

expertise, which is micro electromechanical methods expertise. That’s basically like actually, actually, actually small equipment, however on this case with no transferring components however basically like you would put one or two or a [00:48:00] couple of those followers inside a future smartphone, inside a pill, inside a tool just like the Mac ebook air M two, which died on me at Apple’s campus as a result of I used to be working within the solar and that laptop has no fan.

So when you don’t have any fan. You are the warmth from all of your work is simply sort of trapped in there. So I simply assume that is actually cool. That is one thing that might find yourself being in gadgets sooner or later. Might actually change the way in which like extremely skinny gadgets are made. If the rumors about Apple wanting to do this loopy extremely skinny iPhone are true, like possibly we have got to get some airflow in that.

And I simply assume that concept. Is, is, simply assume it is neat. What do you guys, what do you guys assume?

Ben: I actually hope that this does not drive canine loopy.

Devindra: It is

Ben: they are saying it is silent, however yeah. Ultrasonic, yeah. So it must be like method exterior of the listening to vary of any creature, hopefully.

Devindra: It may. Cherlynn, ideas?

Cherlynn: I imply, I feel the expertise, the thought itself is de facto cool. I feel Fan on a chip, like simply that alone. Like we have been all like, Devon, you bought to have a look at this one. And then you definitely have been like, [00:49:00] yeah, it is simply I feel all of us nerded out like a gaggle as a gaggle nerded out about this. Good

Devindra: nerd stuff.

Do you wish to level on the market is sort of a competing product for, I hate saying it out loud, for they’re producing the air jets mini, which I consider the verge and different websites have have lined and forest factor is 2. 5 millimeters to 2. 8 millimeters thick. So, you already know. A pair, couple millimeters taller and it additionally seems like an even bigger package deal on this factor.

Just like the factor about XMEMS expertise, it seems like a tiny little chip, so it may simply go inside your iPhone the place there’s this little house on actual property. It is the type of factor you would put it proper on the GPU, proper on the APU. Seems cool, may change the way in which our gadgets are designed. So take a look at my protection of the XMEMS chip.

We wrote a narrative in San Francisco. Actual fast is aiming to take down AI undressing web sites and a brand new lawsuit. That is simply excellent news as a result of the actual fact that there’s a prevalence of those apps each on the net and an app supply is completely disgusting. And we’re like absolutely unequipped to take care of them proper now.

So, it is, it is a good factor. [00:50:00]Hopefully we see extra of this on a federal degree too, not only a San Francisco. And one thing I wished to ask Cherlynnn, as a result of we noticed this information drop Chick fil A. The rooster sandwich place is launching a streaming service for actuality TV and tone programming. What do you consider Chick fil A’s streaming service?

Cherlynn: Okay, to start with,

Devindra: you need to have

Cherlynn: paid higher consideration to our present notes. Sure, you need to. Or not.

Ben: No, that is truly, no, that is truly nice. Yeah. That is actually humorous that you just weren’t conscious of this as a result of now we’re getting your actual response. Yeah,

Devindra: what are your first impressions on this information? What?

That is bizarre.

Ben: Why? What are

Cherlynn: they going to indicate me? It feels to me like these

Ben: executives are like channeling an thought, like they they took out a Ouija board, however as an alternative of speaking with spirits, they’re speaking with the spirit of 2015, they usually’re like, okay, what’s the finest enterprise logic for rising our Nationwide [00:51:00] firm.

Let’s simply do a streaming service as a result of streaming providers are actually scorching, proper? No, dude they’re all consolidating as a result of Piper has requested to be paid by way of streaming

Cherlynn: There is a paradise within the chest. Are the cows the pigs? Producers lower a CD is like rooster relationship present. I am sorry if that is the precise content material we’re anticipating.

Hell sure. I imply,

Ben: has like pet soccer. Like we, we now have a whole lot of love Island. It might be love pasture.

Cherlynn: Hear, pay attention, in the event that they do like rooster farm content material after which they slaughter the chickens and fry them, I feel that’s sort of regarding, however I may even say which have they, have y’all seen the KFC like Hallmark film?

Devindra: I’ve not seen it. I do know it exists.

Cherlynn: Oh my god, the place Mario Lopez performs Colonel Sanders, after which he falls in love with a lady. I feel possibly that

Devindra: was their inspiration. We gotta, we gotta out rooster KFC. We gotta, we gotta do one thing right here. It was so good.

Cherlynn: I am sorry if I’ve gone ultrasonic. I am feeling [00:52:00]pitched.

I feel Chick fil A

Devindra: is flying too near the solar. I feel that is what it’s. They’re doing rather well. It is acquired all this cash. You are able to do all these things. Additionally,

Ben: Chick fil A is infamous for you already know, did a cow write this signal? It is like E E T, extra rooster. Yeah. Like, all spelled flawed. It is fairly humorous.

So I can solely think about what the closed captions would seem like. Oh, man. But additionally,

Devindra: Chick fil A is notoriously a a really non secular, religiously main firm. Sure, that is what I used to be pondering, too. Once more, the Hallmark film may very well

Ben: be ,

Cherlynn: Possibly.

Ben: Yeah. No, that is what I used to be excited about. It might be sort of like Hallmark or it might be like, what if we had our personal Hallmark?

Yeah. Yeah.

Cherlynn: Proper. However what in the event that they purchased farmers solely, which I do not know if y’all know is sort of a farmer’s solely relationship web site.

Devindra: Yeah.

Cherlynn: After which they have been like rooster farmers solely. After which they put them on a present.

Devindra: Okay. So we had humorous information. How about some WTF information? As a result of this can be a loopy story and I am simply bringing it up as a result of it’s fricking wild.

It is also principally the plot of trade season three British [00:53:00] billionaire, Mike Lynch was not too long ago discovered useless after his yacht sank a number of days in the past, or it could have been per week in the past at this level. I am mentioning this. As a result of this man is concerned in a whole lot of shady stuff. Like again once I was overlaying HP stuff he was the CEO of autonomy and HP purchased that for 11 billion and never too lengthy after HP was like, Oh crap, we made an enormous mistake, 8.

8 billion proper down. Only for shopping for autonomy. He and his former VP of finance have been principally I consider San Francisco was charging them for some time. They have been not too long ago acquitted in June on he was acquitted on 15 counts of fraud. This can be a man was only a bonkers bonkers life. So he disappeared from his boat now confirmed to be useless.

We predict, oh, this can be a sort of a bizarre story, proper? His former VP of finance, Stephen Chamberlain. Died mysteriously this week after being hit by a automotive.

Cherlynn: Extraordinarily mysterious. Extraordinarily.

Devindra: Extraordinarily like financial institution who’s very [00:54:00] pissed off concerning the billions of {dollars} that they in all probability misplaced due to your deal or your corporation practices.

Extraordinarily Oh, you simply, we will make you go bye bye now. Anyway, that’s purely conjecture, purely conspiracy principle.

Ben: Yeah. Do not forget that episode of breaking unhealthy the place they coordinated successful. On 5 totally different doable witnesses in numerous prisons all in the identical 5 minutes.

Devindra: Yeah, I imply, it is simply, it’s wild.

There are some issues that occur in actual life that’s completely freaky. I do not know, there are studies about what like ExxonMobil does to reporters. Like once they co cowl oil fields or stuff someplace. Reporters have mentioned my lodge reservation was cancelled. Issues are simply actually bizarre, like bizarre shit that these firms have the facility to do of us.

Like we see tales concerning the mobs and stuff, however do not forget who has all the cash and all the facility. Simply dropping that bizarre story proper there. Anyway, watch Business if you would like one other angle or one other kind of story like this. Cherlynn, once more, you need to watch that present. [00:55:00] I feel you’d get pleasure from it.

Cherlynn: I simply wish to level out that Davindra, I, I, you already know me, I prefer to re watch Schitt’s Creek till the day I die earlier than I like even begin a brand new present, so.

Devindra: Nicely, it is extra you need some good drama, good steamy drama in your life. Once I do

Cherlynn: need some good Non-science fiction, drama, non-science fiction drama

Devindra: with like human characters who’ve flaws, who’re very bold. Like I feel you’d does

Cherlynn: it sound like this? Mm-Hmm. different present.

This succession. It is

Devindra: very, in truth, I wrote an entire piece about that Sherly. So you need to go, you need to go learn that evaluation. I do know. Flying Lotus. The artist, considered one of my favourite artists, has confirmed that he composed two Apple ringtones, Dawn and Chalet, which have been on iPhones since 2019. So I am simply, that is cool.

It is cool to me. Is it cool to you, Ben? Should’ve

Ben: been a pleasant bag. Should’ve been a very nice bag. And that is additionally has a, podcast connection as a result of the podcast 20, 000 Hertz, which is a podcast all about sound design. So that they have been doing somewhat collection referred to as The Sound of Apple [00:56:00] they usually talked about it.

And so now Flying Lotus was like, okay, I did not simply ghost produce these. I can say, sure, I produced these two ringtones and I am going to drop these two ringtones in on the audio model. So here is Dawn.

And here is Chalet.

Devindra: I, I’ve switched again to dawn, however they’ve the identical layers and vibes of flying Lotus’s stuff. So I am like, okay, we should always have certain. Most likely advised that that is the rumors about Michael Jackson engaged on the Sonic three soundtrack. [00:57:00] That is like that degree of geek and artistry sort of, combining, which I do not assume was ever absolutely confirmed.

Like possibly he did some consulting or one thing, however that soundtrack did slap. So there’s that. Let’s transfer on to some popular culture pics for the week. What do you bought? Present one.

Cherlynn: So I, once I thought I had popular culture pics this week, I spotted I’d’ve already shared it with the, the, this podcast, however no, however, however, however, however, however simply reminder that I nonetheless watch scary attention-grabbing until I die as a result of it is hilarious.

I imply, hilariously morbid it is simply hilarious that I listened to these tales. If folks getting caught in caves and underwater diving accidents. Why would you do that to your self? Okay. As a result of I get pleasure from it by some means. However so I feel I’ve talked about this proper on the podcast. I feel Ben or Dove, you may keep in mind scary, attention-grabbing, cave exploring gone flawed. Anyway. So as an alternative of that kind of popular culture choose, I’ll give y’all a distinct one, which is I not too long ago found as a result of it is surfaced on my app, YouTube has these video games. Now, have y’all, have y’all seen these? I do not know. Possibly I am conscious

Devindra: that they are sport.

Cherlynn: Yeah. So it is not like new info.

It isn’t model new [00:58:00]info as Phoebe buffet would say, however I simply began taking part in a few of them they usually’re fairly hilariously not nice, and but additionally considerably addictive in basic me. Basic Sherline?

Devindra: Sure. Basic air. The sport included on the airplane TV Sherline? Sure. Yeah.

Cherlynn: Okay. There’s a, there’s a a sport that I have been taking part in on YouTube video games referred to as a Telephone Case Designer.

Devindra: Okay, yeah,

Cherlynn: that is my advice.

Devindra: Thanks for that Cherlynn. Truly Ben, do you wish to shout something out? Cuz I acquired a I must run to the toilet. Yeah, I feel so. Okay, go for it Yeah, yeah,

Ben: I get to do a producer choose that is cool Okay, so a few years in the past, there was a ebook that got here out referred to as uncanny valley by Anna Weiner or Weiner I feel it may be Weiner and it is typically like a A Story that I’m very accustomed to which is like this can be a non fiction ebook It is a few girl’s expertise [00:59:00] going from the publishing world to working in startups within the early 2010s She began out working for this like large knowledge firm when large knowledge was first rising after which moved over to github and Is simply speaking about her private expertise with the bizarre tradition of the bay space throughout that point As a result of in that point of the early to mid 2010s, was when just like the inhabitants of the Bay Space, particularly like San Francisco Oakland space, was actually Turning over.

There have been lots of people, a whole lot of younger professionals coming from all around the nation to work at these startups, making some huge cash, like speaking about doing ayahuasca journeys and the way even once they’re tripping, they’re excited about like B2B enterprise options. It is unusual. It isn’t one thing that I wasn’t already conscious of, nevertheless it was, it is simply [01:00:00] enjoyable to Hearken to I am listening to the audiobook.

Cherlynn: Yeah. I imply, that is why all of us do the popular culture picks from totally different folks as a result of totally different folks have totally different tastes and you’ve got your style and I like to play foolish little YouTube video games. So there you go. Simon B within the chat says YouTube video games are too addicting. So I really feel like I really feel supported.

The place have been you again within the Fb video games

Devindra: period, Sherilyn? Had been you deep in Farmville

Cherlynn: or not? Yeah. PVZ? No, I did not play Farmville, despite the fact that I feel I may have. And I feel lots of people in my circles did play them. It feels

Ben: Okay. Okay. So, Dev, do you’ve got a choose? Yeah, I am going to

Devindra: do actual, actual fast.

I do wish to shout out that one of many biggest TV exhibits ever made, which has been inaccessible for a very long time, Murder Life on the Avenue. Probably the greatest cop exhibits ever made is it is now wire earlier than the wire wire earlier than the wire based mostly on david simon’s ebook with lots of people who went on to provide different television exhibits like bosh it’s now streaming on peacock.

It is an unimaginable present starring the late nice andre brauer so You miss Andre Brower from Brooklyn [01:01:00]9 9. Plenty of nice actors, like characters that have been established in Murder went on to Regulation and Order and different issues. So it is a implausible present. It is best to test it out. Particularly the primary few seasons.

It is streaming proper now. I’ve the DVD set, which was nice. It is simply on sale, however I do not, I am nonetheless completely satisfied to have that as a result of I really feel just like the digital model can go any, any time you get to purchase the belongings you love. So that is what I’ve acquired for this week.

Cherlynn: Nicely, that is it for the episode this week, everybody.

Thanks as at all times for tuning in. Our theme music is by sport composer, Dale North. Our outro music is by our former managing editor, Terrence O’Brien. The podcast is produced by Ben Elman. You will discover Dev or Davindra on-line at

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