David Bridges
Peter Thiel went on Joe Rogan’s podcast on Friday and shared his eccentric “ideas” on a variety of matters. Given Thiel’s fame as libertarian thinker king, PayPal mafia member, protection contractor, former Trump lover, and political megadonor, listeners may need assumed {that a} assembly of those minds could be fascinating. In the event you discover two males who suppose they’re far smarter than they’re speaking at size concerning the climate fascinating, effectively, the episode delivered.
The principle drawback with Thiel is that—as colourful and nefarious as he sounds on paper—he’s extraordinarily boring to hearken to. Listening to him drone on about political and technological ideas is the auditory equal of watching paint dry and, even supposing his remarks usually give the impression that he’s open-sourcing designs for a rightwing plot towards America, my eyes can’t assist however glaze over on the sound of his voice.
That stated, Thiel continues to be fascinating—not due to his persona, however due to the concepts and the political forces that he represents. There are few individuals who have tried to exert their will in America’s political and cultural dialog greater than Thiel, and as such, whether or not he’s charismatic or not, it’s fairly essential to listen to what he has to say.
Rogan and Thiel’s dialog begins with a dialogue of the numerous “issues” going through America. Thiel’s high concern is typical for somebody in his socio-economic bracket: the federal deficit. “Yeah. I imply, there are quite a bit [of problems] which are fairly apparent to articulate, they usually’re a lot simpler to explain than resolve. Like we have now a loopy, loopy finances deficit,” Thiel supplied. At the moment, the U.S. authorities is $34 trillion in debt, a incontrovertible fact that conservative politicians and commentators have lengthy been obsessive about, despite the fact that economists are cut up on whether or not it’s really even an issue.
What can we do concerning the deficit? Once more, Thiel offers a typical wealthy individual reply: The answer to America’s budgetary woes isn’t to modernize applications that have been created final century, trim a number of the monetary fats appended to the Pentagon (Thiel’s employer), or god forbid, elevate taxes on insanely rich folks like Thiel, however, as Thiel places it, to determine “out methods to steadily dial again quite a lot of these authorities advantages” (i.e., make cuts to applications like Social Safety, the social security web that hundreds of thousands of non-rich Individuals depend on).
As a identified right-winger, Thiel additionally spends an compulsory period of time hating on that bastion of corrupt liberalism often called California. “The tough mannequin I’ve for the way to think about California is that it’s sort of like Saudi Arabia,” says Thiel. “And you’ve got a loopy faith, wokeism in California, Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia. You already know, not that many individuals imagine it, however it distorts every little thing. After which you could have like oil fields in Saudi Arabia, and you’ve got the massive tech corporations in California and the oil pays for every little thing. After which you could have a very bloated, inefficient authorities sector.”
Nonetheless, whereas Thiel paints a comically grim portrait of California, he can’t in the end appear to give you a location that beats it. After rattling off a listing of cities and cataloging their obvious faults, he lastly admits that in relation to California’s coastal local weather: “I’m a sucker for the climate.” You get the sensation that he’s actually solely dumping on the state to impress his right-wing buddies.
Different essential conversational junctures: Is local weather change actual? Thiel’s response is a full 17 seconds of stammers earlier than admitting: “It’s doable local weather change is going on.”
The declining birthrate? Thiel appears to agree with Elon’s place that it’s unhealthy: “When you get an inverted demographic pyramid, sooner or later do you vote for advantages for the outdated or for the younger? If the folks with youngsters get financially penalized and the folks with out youngsters vote advantages for themselves, it is going to be very tough to flip again.”
Thiel and Rogan grouse about a complete lot of various matters within the three-plus hours that the dialog runs (UFOs, historical civilizations, and AI are additionally mentioned), however it isn’t till about two hours into this interminable dialogue, that the topic turns to Jeffrey Epstein and associated conspiracy theories, that Thiel lastly stated one thing fascinating.
Certainly, Thiel spent a bizarre period of time vamping about former Microsoft CEO Invoice Gates and his ties to Epstein. He averted the darker conspiracy theories concerning the lifeless pedophile, seeming to brush off claims that he could have been a twin intelligence agent working for the U.S. and Israel. As a substitute, he centered on Gates’ affiliations with the creep. To Thiel, it appears almost certainly that Gates’ relationship with Epstein advanced out of his marital issues with Melinda, and that Epstein could have suggested the Microsoft boss on the way to funnel his cash into “left-wing philanthropy” organizations to keep away from giving most of it to his spouse in a divorce settlement. His principle was: “Invoice and Melinda get married in 1994, they don’t signal a prenup, and, you realize, one thing’s going incorrect with the wedding,” Thiel stated. “And perhaps Melinda can get half the cash in a divorce. He doesn’t need her to get half the cash. What do you do?”
“The alternate plan is one thing like… You commit the marital belongings to this nonprofit after which it kind of locks Melinda into not complaining concerning the marriage for an extended, very long time,” Thiel continued. “And so there’s one thing concerning the left-wing philanthropy world that was…some kind of Boomer method to management their loopy wives.”
Thus, Thiel in some way manages to make the Jeffrey Epstein saga right into a conspiracy associated to “left-wing philanthropy”—a formidable feat, given what number of horrible issues Epstein has been accused of that don’t have anything to do with “leftism” or philanthropy. It’s unclear why, of all of the conversational junctures of their marathon dialog, Thiel appears to have been so on this specific topic, although it could simply be that he finds conspiracy theories simply as intriguing as the remainder of us.
Thiel, himself, admits to having met with Epstein a number of instances. When requested by Rogan who launched him, Thiel—who spends an unbelievable quantity of the dialog stammering his method by solutions— comically delivers a solution as succinct and fact-oriented as a lawyer: “It was [LinkedIn founder] Reid Hoffman in Silicon Valley launched us in 2014.”
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