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SPOILER ALERT: This article delves into key plot developments in “The Worth,” Season 2, Episode 6 of “The Final of Us,” currently streaming on the platform now known as Max.

When Craig Mazin, the co-creator of “The Final of Us,” reached out to Catherine O’Hara to offer her a role in the second season of the HBO series, she was delighted by the idea of portraying a therapist in a world ravaged by apocalyptic chaos. “In this universe, having someone responsible for another person’s mental well-being — what an absurd pressure to bear!” she chuckled during a Zoom interview. “It genuinely makes me laugh.”

O’Hara has amused audiences since her standout performances on the Canadian sketch comedy series SCTV in the late 1970s, and in iconic films such as “Beetlejuice” and “Home Alone.” She has also showcased her talent in Christopher Guest films like “Waiting for Guffman,” “Best in Show,” “A Mighty Wind,” and “For Your Consideration,” along with her Emmy-winning role in “Schitt’s Creek.” While she has taken on serious roles in the past, the character of Gail is uniquely intense. Gail serves as the sole trained mental health professional in the Jackson, Wyoming community, offering her services in exchange for marijuana and alcohol.

In the premiere of Season 2, Joel (played by Pedro Pascal) seeks out Gail to discuss his struggles in connecting with Ellie (portrayed by Bella Ramsey). However, Gail presses Joel to reveal a secret that he has kept hidden since their first meeting. In an effort to coax him into vulnerability, she reveals her feelings of hatred towards him for the death of her husband, Eugene, fully aware that Joel had no choice in the matter, but troubled by the manner of Eugene’s death. In Episode 6 — directed by co-creator Neil Druckmann and written by Mazin, Druckmann, and Halley Gross — we discover the truth about what Joel did: After encountering Eugene (played by Joe Pantoliano) just after he has been bitten by an infected, Eugene pleads to be taken back to Jackson so he and Gail can share their final words. Instead, Joel adheres to the town’s brutal rules and kills Eugene, later returning his body to Gail with a fabricated story about Eugene’s last words. Ellie, however, cannot tolerate Joel’s deception and interrupts to reveal the truth to Gail, who reacts by slapping Joel and demanding he leave.

O’Hara shared insights with Variety about collaborating with Druckmann on that pivotal scene, the remarkable talents of Pascal and Ramsey, her knowledge of Eugene’s character while filming the first episode, and her experience working on her other celebrated TV series this year, the Apple TV+ comedy “The Studio,” including her determination to keep working even after contracting COVID.

Insights on Shooting the Therapy Scene with Pedro Pascal in Episode 1 and Its Connection to Episode 6

I didn’t quite understand why Gail was so angry and harsh towards Joel. I hadn’t even read the sixth episode prior to filming. I’m sure Craig must have briefed me initially about where the story was headed, but I hadn’t seen any script. So it was quite a shock for me to realize the depth of her emotions — I felt somewhat blindsided, honestly.

Contemplating Possible Backstories for Joel and Gail

Oh, absolutely. It’s all laid out in that first scene, really. She mentions, “I know you had to do what you did, but it doesn’t change the fact that you did it.” However, deep down, she comprehends that he was acting to protect the community, which is something she recognizes as well. The horrific reality is that Joel was not to blame for Eugene’s infection. Eugene faced an attack, and that’s the tragic aspect of their story.

The Experience of Collaborating with Pedro Pascal

It was absolutely wonderful. He embodies everything one hopes for and more, living up to everyone’s admiration for him, and rightfully so. He’s incredibly open and authentic. There’s a certain charisma that makes you feel like you’re destined to be friends for life! Both he and Bella are exceptional talents, their ability to immerse themselves in the world of “The Last of Us” is truly remarkable — and thank goodness they do, considering the dark world they inhabit. Between takes, they are both so genuine and relaxed. My first experience working with Meryl Streep many years ago in a film called “Heartburn” was quite similar. I observed her during some of the most intense scenes in her films, and then, as soon as the director called for a break, she would switch gears entirely, discussing everyday topics as if nothing had happened. It shows that that’s what true acting is about — and both Bella and Pedro are phenomenal actors.

How Often Are You Offered Non-Comedic Roles Like This One?

Often enough, I suppose, but nothing quite like this show. This opportunity was special, and I was informed that I would not be infected, which was a relief. That was the first question my friends asked: “Are you going to be infected? Did it get you?” The preparation process for drama or comedy is quite similar; with comedy, the goal is to elicit laughter, yet you still strive to bring the necessary depth to the scene.

Drawing Personal Experiences into the Performance of Gail

Perhaps if you had seen Gail with other clients, you might notice it, but this particular instance was so deeply personal [for her]. It was Eugene’s birthday, making it an emotionally charged scene for her, compounded by her drinking. Years ago, I attended therapy for about six months during a personal crisis, and I was fortunate to find a really supportive therapist. She helped me gain insights and truly listen to myself — the things I repeated frequently, but then someone would challenge me, asking, “Why do you say that?” “What? What do you mean? I’ve said it every day.” She was incredibly insightful, yet I didn’t consciously draw from that experience [to my performance]. Perhaps it influenced me subconsciously, but consciously, I was focused primarily on Joel, Eugene, the birthday, her drinking, and the immense weight of the situation she was in. The dialogue was so loaded with emotion.

Portraying Gail’s Complex Relationship with Substance Use

Gail is quite upfront about her self-medication with alcohol and marijuana, yet I never portrayed her as visibly drunk or high. This decision was a collective one; perhaps we didn’t even discuss it in detail. I didn’t want to come across as simply drunk, as that can create a barrier to connection with others. When intoxicated, one often gets lost in their own thoughts, saying things that may not resonate with others. I genuinely wanted to be present for Pedro, to embody Gail for him. I envisioned her as someone who knows how to maintain a level of buzz. I imagined her sipping casually. There was a woman in my neighborhood growing up who drank throughout the day but did so discreetly, making it appear as if she was drinking milk by mixing whiskey with milk. She was such a charming woman, and we would spend time with her, often wondering, “Where is everyone else?” “They’re at Ruth’s house.”

Creating a Backstory for the Characters of Gail and Eugene

Not really. I didn’t need to create one. It was all evident in the script. I didn’t have the opportunity to see Joey Pantoliano perform or even meet him, but watching that scene highlighted the depth of what Gail meant to Eugene.

It was intriguing when he expressed his desire to hear what she would say [to me]. Initially, I thought, “Did she want to forgive him for something? Oh, that’s what he wants to hear — that everything is okay from Gail.” But then I realized he has such faith in her professionalism and love for him that he believes she would know the right words to help him cope with his impending death. That realization struck me deeply and made me emotional. The love between them is palpable, and you can feel their relationship without ever having to see it. That entire episode is just stunning.

Reflections on the Scene Where Gail Confronts Joel About His Lies

I read about this! My agent sent it to me. I thought to myself, “Did I argue with him? Or did I disagree? Is that what happened?” I suppose I was so immersed in the moment during filming that I didn’t perceive it that way. Actors can often feel offended by specific line readings or notes from directors, which is quite unproductive since it stifles creativity. However, I don’t approach it that way. You build trust with the director, knowing they understand the creative vision — and Neil certainly does. When he communicated what he wanted for the scene, I simply aimed to understand what was missing. He may have suggested, “Yell at him,” but I don’t recall that specifically. Regardless, I believe it’s essential to approach notes from directors as their interpretation of what they seek from you. He indicated in an interview that I took the direction and internalized it — and that’s my responsibility. He wanted to evoke something raw from Gail to push Joel away. That moment marks the beginning of her pain and anger. Just prior to that, she felt gratitude towards Joel for at least bringing Eugene to her. But yes, I think it’s important to remain calm when receiving notes, especially when you’re working with someone who knows what they’re doing. Sometimes, you might encounter individuals who lack understanding, and that’s when it becomes challenging. “Okay, thanks, I’ll do that,” becomes your default response. As my husband says, “Duly noted.”

The Excitement of Having Multiple Shows Airing Simultaneously

It’s been lovely! You never know if any project will resonate with audiences. Well, I was confident “The Last of Us” would be a hit, and I hoped viewers would also tune into “The Studio.” Yet what truly matters is the daily work that brings fulfillment. “The Studio” was an absolute blast to work on. We tackled 10-page scenes in one go [take], repeating them multiple times. It’s a unique experience — you do a ton of takes without needing additional coverage! It felt incredibly authentic, raw, and enjoyable. The collaboration with Seth [Rogen] and Evan [Goldberg] has been fantastic; they complement each other so well, both being immensely creative and open to ideas. All the actors, including Ike [Barinholtz], Kathryn [Hahn], and Chase [Sui Wonders] — everyone was exceptional. It was truly a fun experience.

However, it’s worth noting that during the entire CinemaCon scene [in Episode 9], I was dealing with COVID.

The Challenges of Filming While Sick

I contracted COVID at The Sphere, and that was my sole focus during that period. I can see my posture was just [droops her body]. I didn’t get tested because we were in a race to finish filming, and with our departure imminent, we had to complete all our scenes. I maintained my distance from everyone. At one point, I had a water bottle on the ground, and Evan came over and asked, “Would you like your water?” I replied, “No, don’t pick it up!” I was very aware of not wanting to touch anything! Thankfully, I didn’t pass it on to anyone.

But back to your question! I felt incredibly fortunate that both shows aired simultaneously; I was encountering friends who would exclaim, “Wow, are you in everything?” To which I had to clarify, “No! I haven’t worked in nearly a year!”

Possibilities for Future Appearances in “The Last of Us”

I’m uncertain. Craig mentioned that I definitely won’t be returning for the next season, as it will focus on the Abby storyline. Who knows what the future holds, but I suspect it was primarily to serve the arcs of Joel and Ellie.

Speculating on Gail’s Actions During the Attack in Episode 2

Not contributing much, I imagine! She was likely holed up with a group of people in an attic or basement, assisting them in coping with their fears — perhaps passing around a joint.

This interview has been edited and condensed for clarity.