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During the latest episode of Kramer’s Whine Down podcast, featuring her ex-husband, the former couple—who co-parent their daughter Jolie, 8, and son Jace, 5—discussed the primary issue they face in their post-divorce interactions: the matter of child support payments that Kramer sends to Caussin. This candid discussion unveils the underlying tensions that can exist even in amicable co-parenting situations.

In this insightful episode, Kramer, 40, along with her current husband Allan Russell and Caussin, 37, engaged with their audience by responding to fan inquiries. One question raised was whether Caussin feels uncomfortable with Kramer mentioning her financial support in relation to their children.

Caussin responded with laughter, but then addressed the question seriously, acknowledging, “Yeah, of course. And that is a hot button for us, and we both recognize that.” This admission highlights the complexities of navigating financial discussions post-divorce.

“You hate it. I hate it,” he added, confirming the emotional weight of the situation, to which Kramer replied, “This is the one matter where we really, really disagree.” This exchange underscores the personal feelings attached to financial obligations and how they can impact co-parenting dynamics.

“Yes, it truly is. That’s the true source of lingering resentment,” he reflected. “And Jana hasn’t reconciled that I actually dislike receiving those payments, especially given the financial issues we faced during our marriage.” Such reflections offer a window into the emotional complexities that can linger after separation.

Consequently, the former NFL star expressed that the “very last thing” he desires is for his ex-wife to think that he requires her financial assistance, highlighting how pride and past experiences can influence present interactions.

“Finding my way post-divorce, establishing my career, and discovering a path where I can provide for myself has been a process,” Caussin shared, emphasizing the challenges of entrepreneurship. “It’s a struggle because I reinvest my earnings into my business to grow and expand.” This statement reflects the broader theme of self-reliance and growth following a significant life change.

“Trust me, it’s my goal … to show up with documentation from my lawyer stating, ‘Hey, this isn’t your legal obligation anymore,’” he continued. “That would be the most liberating moment for me, considering everything that has transpired between Mike and Jana.” This desire for closure illustrates the emotional journey many face after a relationship ends.

When Kramer pressed Caussin on why he “dislikes” the child support arrangement, he elaborated, “I understand how much emotional weight it carries for you and how it affects your perception of me. You hold it against me, and it creates a narrative that simply isn’t accurate.” This dialogue reveals the intricacies of communication and perception in co-parenting relationships.

“It’s just a lingering issue that continues to create tension between us, a remnant of our past. I want to be able to release both of us, and our family, from that,” Caussin expressed. This statement underscores the importance of moving forward in a healthy way.

“This is the final unresolved issue between us, and it deeply affects my pride and ego, knowing that I’m in a vulnerable position,” he concluded. “It’s a reality I have to accept.” This reflection reveals the emotional toll that unresolved conflicts can have on individuals post-divorce.

Kramer and Caussin, who experienced multiple separations throughout their six-year marriage, ultimately finalized their divorce in April 2021 amid a series of infidelity allegations. In her divorce filing, Kramer cited “inappropriate marital conduct, irreconcilable differences, and adultery,” illustrating the challenges they faced. Their divorce was finalized in July 2021, marking a significant transition for both.

According to E! News, Kramer, who has custody of Jolie and Jace two-thirds of the time, provides her ex with $3,200 per month in child support, in addition to covering the children’s health insurance. This financial arrangement speaks to the realities many families face in post-divorce scenarios.

Meanwhile, during Caussin’s appearance on the podcast, he also shared his thoughts on the possibility of his children referring to Russell as “Dad.” This topic often presents challenges in blended families, raising questions about identity and familial roles.

“That’s a tough one. They’ve never referred to Allan as ‘Dad’ in my home,” Caussin stated. “I’m not going to sit here and tell them they can’t call him what they want to call him.” His response illustrates the delicate balance parents must strike in blended family dynamics.

“We also had a discussion about that,” Kramer added. “I remember the three of us talked about it last year when I was pregnant with Roman.” This shared understanding reflects the collaborative effort required in co-parenting situations.

“We agreed that we can’t dictate what they can or can’t do. If they want to call him the Easter Bunny, they can call him that. They can refer to him however they wish,” she elaborated. “I’m not going to impose that they must call him ‘Dad.’” This open-minded approach emphasizes the importance of flexibility in parenting arrangements.

However, Caussin admitted that it would still affect him emotionally.

“No one needs to do any sort of correcting. But that one stings the most,” he confessed. “If I were to hear it, or if the kids tell me, ‘Oh, Mom told us to call him Dad,’ that would hit me hard.” This honesty reveals the emotional complexities involved in blended families.

Russell, on the other hand, chimed in, asserting that this hypothetical situation “wouldn’t happen,” especially if Caussin were present. This statement highlights the protective nature of step-parents in navigating family dynamics.

Kramer added, “Yeah, I feel the only thing is, with Roman now, I still refer to Allan 90% of the time, but sometimes I’ll say, ‘Go give this to Dad.’ Because that’s for Roman.” This illustrates the natural evolution of family language as children grow and circumstances change.

Caussin acknowledged that he’s “cool with” it, noting that he can “separate myself to some extent.” However, he admitted that it’s the “hardest part” to cope with knowing he’s “missing moments” with his children. This candid admission reflects the emotional toll that separation can have on parents.

“It is what it is. Comes with the territory,” he remarked, illustrating the acceptance required in co-parenting arrangements.

Ultimately, Russell believes that Kramer and Caussin’s children will not refer to him as “Dad,” as they are “very clear about who their dad is and who their stepdad is.” This clarity is crucial in blended family dynamics, ensuring that children feel secure in their family structure.

“It’s not like I’ve been with the kids since they were one year old or six months old, where it would be any different. Sure, sometimes it might slip out, but I don’t think it will become a habit,” he noted. “I think they’re at an age where they understand this dynamic.” This perspective emphasizes the importance of age-appropriate understanding in blended families.

“At this point, they sort of call you what they call you,” Caussin concurred, adding, “But I defend that notion; a father or dad is someone who provides, protects, and cares for a child, whether biological or otherwise. So, you know, you’re still worthy of the title. But yes, the kids are aware.” This thoughtful reflection highlights the multifaceted nature of parental roles.